My final arguement on Thought Control 936 by: Rimmel > Okay, I am getting sick of this arguement too. >Somehow, there are a few people here who do not think on their own, >which is rather ironic that the Thought Control is at the root of this >discussion. After spending more than a year on this list, I am happy to say that you have actually hit the single most arrogant posting I have yet to read. congrats. > Let's look at the problem: Thought Control is not the end all of all ultimate >power tipping weapons or systems. It is just an option that you can use, >and has its own advantages and disadvantages. > For the cost of a X.5 multiplier, you get +2Mv, +1WA, +67% MP, x2 to >all control mutlipiers on remotes, and you get a tingling feeling of 1 hit going >to your head for every 3 Kills of damage your mecha takes. > Now, let's look at it this way: Is the Thought Control System worth all >that? What else could you get for the same cost and get the some of the >same effects? Well, nothing you went on to list. +5 MV Man Ven's will still only get you to MV 0, so will a supercharged power plant, though a hot one gives you a +67%MP. You could give yourself a +1 Targeting computer, but again that is limited to the maximum of 0 MV in mekton. And since the TC system grants a +2 to your MV above and beyond the zero, that is what I am concerned with. > How about +5Mv Man. Veiners? What about a supercharged powerplant >and +2Mv man veiners? What other things can you do? Is the TC system >really what you need for the task at hand? Couldn't you just say that the >mecha read impulses from the pilots brain, and call it a "story effect?" Sure we could, I've used that stick more than once, however the TC system as listed lets one go over the 0, something no other mekton system allows, save turbochargers and even I look at them with some aprehension. We aren't bitching about how we don't think TC systems are munckin, we a bitching about the lack of any other means of going about mv 0, and that the one system that does allow it is rather over the top. > I have often thought that it would be nice if the TC system could be made >more adjustable like the ESPer Lense. Have the cost be variable and >effects be modified with different options, like some TCs that would let you >expand you senses enough so that you could control remotes better, move >a mecha faster, or just be able to do more........... just a thought. (pun >intended) I wouldn't mind that either. It would be nice, but they didn't do that. > If you ever sit down and think about it, Mekton is reasonably balanced, >and offers so many ways to get around any problem. Point costs is only a >comparison of how much is on one mecha, not the total effectiveness of >said unit. If you take liberty with teh word reasonably, I suppose. I like the system, but a design contest simply boils down to who knows the most minor loopholes. > You can spend 5,000 points on a unit, and I can spend only 500 points to >destroy it. It all depends on how you use your points and your head. There >is no magic bullet system, weapon, or mecha in mekton..... just different >things that can do certain tasks either slightly better, or somewhat worse. It has been my experience that any weapon can be countered for half of its cost, and there about about 6 types of weapons in mekton, so I'd say this 500 vs 5000 might hold true if you really dig, the simple problem is that a 'compotent' designer, or someone who simply looks at all the cheap and easy ways to kill a mekton, should and will usually have defences that will prevent such a low point kill. Then again, a fast Mekton with a very large ECM is usually good against pretty much anything, strangly enough. > Well, that's my two cents worth.... >Do us all a favor, crack open your game books and read it all for once!!!! OK, did that, still don't see your point, which doesn't bother me as you missed ours. >Spiked Punch