My final arguement on Thought Control 941 by: Spiked Punch << Sure we could, I've used that stick more than once, however the TC system as listed lets one go over the 0, something no other mekton system allows, save turbochargers and even I look at them with some aprehension. We aren't bitching about how we don't think TC systems are munckin, we a bitching about the lack of any other means of going about mv 0, and that the one system that does allow it is rather over the top. >> Hey stupid, there is a thing called "It's your game, do as well as you damn well please...." Are you going to hold yourself down because of one little rule? If you don't want to look at that MV barrier all the time like a stunned newt, step over it. R.Tal put that there so people would not go so crazy with the Mv's, like you are obviously wanting to do. But why would you is a good question tho...how many people here want a mecha that has a MV above 0? That is ludicris. It takes so much out of the game. What is the point of playing if all of your actions are going to suceed so easily. Why would anyone play against you? It's stupid! I can remember the old MTS system allowing ya go up to +5 Mv if ya go for all of the right systems all at once. But what is the point in doing that? If your going to have mecha with Mv's like that, then I have to say there is something seriously wrong with YOUR game if you need to be that fast. *sigh* I guess some people need that much power to make up for their own short comings... Spiked Punch